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We received a call about 10.30 from the State Police Barret,

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in Salt and Fair County.

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And I had talked to the trooper who had just came back from the scene of this incident.

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And he felt that something definitely had going on.

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And the main person involved in it, the farmer son who had seen the creatures and shot at them,

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was at the barracks at the time.

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So I questioned him over the phone.

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And they had indicated the object had landed and was sitting on the ground.

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And the creatures had been seen.

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And there was a glowing area, glowing ring that was apparent after the object had disappeared.

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So we got together, Phil team.

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We had Dave Smith, who's a physics teacher and so defense radiation defense officer.

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We had a professional photographer, George Loots, who is the co-director of our group,

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who's a former Air Force pilot and the major near force reserves.

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I can't think we had a sociology major with us, myself.

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We went out, we made arrangements to meet with the farmer son who's 22 years old, who was the main witness.

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But he looks much older for his age.

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He's about 6'2", weighs about 270 pounds from around there.

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How was this the following day?

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That was that night, a couple hours after the incident occurred.

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The incident occurred at 9 o'clock.

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And you were there about 11?

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Well, they called us about 10.30 until we got up there, about an hour drive.

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I told them we got there around 12.30.

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And until we got to the scene, it was about one o'clock in the morning.

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But anyhow, before we got to the scene, we interviewed them.

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And here he later, about 9 o'clock, about 15 of the people in the area had seen a glowing red bull in the sky, a spherical.

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And it was slowly descending towards the ground.

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So this fellow, George, and these two 11 year old twins from down the road,

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they ran to his house and they got a .30 .6 rifle.

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And they proceeded up in his truck up the back, right towards the pasture area.

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And they could see the object slowly descending towards the ground.

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And it was getting larger, of course, as it came down.

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There were headlights and the trucks started to dim.

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And they were just going up toward the top of the hill, the horizon, the hill, and disappeared over the horizon.

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So they got out of their truck and started walking up the hill and they could see it sitting on the pasture,

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apparently right on the ground, or else inches above it.

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They said it was much larger than the house, about 100 feet in diameter.

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And it was like a dome or a bubble shape thing.

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And it was bright white at this time.

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It was making it sound like a wild lawnmower.

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Their eyes stirred water, a little from the brightness of it.

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And then they heard these loud screaming sounds coming from the vicinity of the craft.

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Some like a lady screaming or whatever, unusual screaming sounds.

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And then after about a minute or so, one of the boys yelled that there was something moving up along the fence line.

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So they pointed up there, which was opposite where the craft was on the ground,

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and there were these two figures walking towards them.

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At first they couldn't tell exactly what they were.

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They assumed they were bears.

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But from the light of the craft, and also this fellow had two military tracers around,

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which he fired directly over their head.

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And just left for a second, but it gave them some more insight into what they were observing.

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Anyhow, they were then able to make out at least one figure,

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it was about eight foot tall and the other one around seven foot.

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They were described very similar to the other creatures, completely covered from head to toe,

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long arms almost reaching to the ground, they're making crying sounds on each other.

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It was a smell like burning tire, burning rubber, and they had, in these cases,

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glowing green eyes, which we had in another case,

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would be for falls a week later of a landing and creatures being seen.

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Anyhow, he fired a tracer around over their head,

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then he fired a warning shot, a 30 out of six over their head,

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see if they would slow down, but they kept approaching two of them, they were about 60 feet away.

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One of the boys upon seeing this ran, became hysterical, and the other boy stayed with George.

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Then he fired directly into the larger creature.

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Each time he hit it, it made a lot of crying sounds,

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and then finally it raised his right hand up, almost touching the smaller creature,

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which was walking in front of it,

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and all of a sudden as it raised its hand, the object in the field just disappeared,

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the light just went out and disappeared, and the sound stopped,

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and then the creature slowly turned around, and started walking back into the woods.

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So at this point they were both quite shook up,

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and they ran back, called the State Police, and State Trooper came out to the area,

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and George went back up with him.

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He went and notified the State Police,

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the State Trooper went back to the area, I believe around 10.30,

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I think he went out there around 10.30, until he got called by radio to go out to the area,

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and George told him what he had seen, the Trooper proceeded up to the area.

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Trooper verified that they did see what appeared to be a glowing ring about 150 feet in diameter,

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where the object had been sitting, and he said that the ring was bright enough

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that if you sat down in it, you could read a newspaper by it.

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It was on a glowing from a height of about one foot off the ground,

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but he also said that he could see the small plants inside of the glowing area,

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so it was fairly bright.

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No, this was the Police Agency.

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The State Trooper was with him, they both saw that,

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and he said they were walking up along the woods where George had seen the creatures,

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and the Trooper confirmed that every time they'd walk,

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they'd hear something falling them along the woods.

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He said from the sound of it, it didn't appear to be real big,

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so he was flying them around, and every time they would stop,

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the sound would keep moving for a few seconds, and they would stop,

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and when they started moving, it would move.

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Basically, that's what occurred there.

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Before that went back, George had an opinion,

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something was coming out of the woods, he heard it coming towards them,

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and he claimed he saw a dark figure coming out of the woods,

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and so he took a shot at it, and they ran in the State Police car,

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and they turned around and got out of there,

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and that's when they went back to the barracks, and they called us, and we went up.

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All right, now when you arrived, the blow was all gone.

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There was nothing there, we took radiation tests immediately, first.

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All right, now did you go back the following day?

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We were there, well, we were there for a number of days afterwards.

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All right, now was there any physical trace left that you could find?

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There was no physical trace, there was nothing that indicated

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that it definitely had been on the ground, it may have been right above,

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but the animals would not go near the area.

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The horses and cattle and dogs, and as Trooper said too,

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the animals were extremely nervous.

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Were they avoiding the area after the trip?

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They were avoiding the area after where they had disappeared from,

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they would not, they would go in the outskirts of it, the night in the immediate area where it was.

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That's the only visible sign you could see.

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All right, but then of course there was no opportunity for you

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to use any infrared photography up there.

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No, well after the incident occurred that it probably related to you.

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Did you tell them, what happened that night?

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No, no.

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With the mind control, whatever the takeover?

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What did happen to the mind takeover in this case?

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Well, we went back and we were up there and we were looking around the area

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and must have been probably around 20 to 1 when we were up in the field

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checking for radiation, looking for any evidence.

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And Georgian's father were down below the truck, who was the main witness.

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All of a sudden both of them yelled, taught us to run down and we went down

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and they said that the whole area by the house had lit a bright green

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for a second whole area lit up or bright.

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So the father was concerned, so one of our fellows and Georgian's father

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going in the jeep went down the house, looked it over, couldn't find anything.

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They came back 10 minutes later.

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We proceeded up along the area where Georgian claimed he had seen the creatures.

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So on our way up, we were just talking and so forth.

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And all of a sudden the bull, which was up there, came running out of the woods

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and was staring up towards one part of the Witted area.

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It wasn't bother paying attention to us at all.

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And all of a sudden his dog also started picking up a set of something

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and started sniffing his way up towards there and he stopped and started looking around.

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One of the guys in our group was on one side of Georgian,

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Georgian's father, who was Georgian's main witness, of course,

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and Georgian's father was on his other side.

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And they were just talking to him, asking questions about it.

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One guy in our group asked him about where exactly they were standing or whatever

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and he didn't answer them.

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Then he asked him again, and when he looked at him,

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he was like, going like this rubbing his hands over his head

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and he thought maybe a branch had hit him.

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And he asked him a question again and all of a sudden Georgian had his hand over his head

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and he started waving back and forth like he was going to faint a collapse.

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So he asked his father to grab him right away, something was happening.

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And they were trying to get him down the ground, but he wouldn't get down.

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He started breathing real heavy and heavy.

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Then all of a sudden he just threw them both.

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He just threw them both, the ground, the father and the other guy in our group.

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And all of a sudden they started leaving out these very loud screams.

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He started walking around in motion just like a loud animal.

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And he started swinging and screaming.

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His own dog attacked him and the dogs started crying after that.

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And he was making the dogs start crying.

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And you witnessed this?

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We have it all on tape. The whole thing hasn't happened.

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Everything.

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Anyhow, George was going around making these terrible sounds

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and the last roar that he made is identical to the sound of these creatures we have taped.

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It's a sound that you couldn't duplicate with a human voice.

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And all of a sudden he just more or less just collapsed directly on his face.

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Just straight down right into the, there was horse manure all over the place

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and just came straight down with his face into the ground.

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And we ran over and picked him up.

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Just after this occurred, one of the other fellas, well there was one of us too,

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one of the other fellas in our group started to get lightheaded.

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And he couldn't maneuver properly and he was down on his knees.

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And then Dave couldn't breathe at all.

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He had trouble breathing.

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And then this terrible, strong chemical odor came out of the woods.

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We all smotted. Most of us all smotted at the time.

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This came out in a wave.

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The same thing all the witnesses have described with the creature.

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It's a very strong, soft furrior like smell.

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Almost if you took these old kitchen matches and struck them, but they didn't light.

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It was a very strong smell like that.

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We were getting George out of the area, just finding out on his feet.

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And one of our other guys, we were getting him back down

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and we realized that something was happening, unusual.

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We wanted to get out of the area very quickly, which we thank God did.

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To sell at George as he came out of it, he was talking about this man

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in a dark cape with a hood that was calling him

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and told him that the man didn't hurry up and shape up, that the end would come soon.

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And things of this nature would happen.

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There's no way we can really describe the whole incident.

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The closest thing you can describe to it is what's known as diabolical or demon possession.

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However, in this case, and from reports we've had since,

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even though I've always been very reluctant to connect UFOs and creatures,

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there's no doubt that there probably is a connection now.

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But it seems that there is some type of mind control involved in these cases

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where they are able to take control of certain people at certain times.

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And Dr. Schwartz was here from New Jersey working on the case.

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He said, and other people involved in it, we've had a number of other similar cases now.

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People have come forward to who were involved in a Bigfoot situation

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where they have had all types of psychic phenomena,

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and other guys' activity, memory lapses, and things of this nature,

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all in the last few months associated with the Bigfoot cases.

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And these are people who had no previous knowledge of this.

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In most of these cases, like in one case, the teenage boy thought his mother about it,

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but he doesn't want to talk to anybody about it because he said he's afraid to,

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because he feels that somebody's watching him,

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and if he says anything about it, something will happen to him.

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And he's had two car accidents since the occurrence,

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and there was no reason why he should have had a car accident.

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In fact, another boy who was with him at the initial experience

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also had a car accident in a different car on the same night.

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All right. Now, did you personally have anything with smack of mind control?

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To me? Yes.

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Nothing happened to me except to smell. We all smelled at the time.

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And, believe me, the guys in the group,

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especially some of the guys who were there that night, are extremely skeptical.

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They're open minded, but very skeptical.

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And I would never have believed it unless I saw it myself.

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But there's no doubt that something happened up there.

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Now, the dog attacked the...

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The dog went after... more or less, yeah.

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And then it started crying.

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Then the dog started crying.

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Well, the dog belongs to his... the boy's... the fellow's father.

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But there, you would say it's his dog, too.

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Yeah, but they were well acquainted.

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Oh, definitely. Definitely. It's been a whole life out there.

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How did he indeed fight the boy?

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The dog? No, he got scared.

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He went after it, and the dog went over and started crying.

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He moved away and started crying, which is all on the tape.

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What do I have to do to get a copy of that tape?

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Well, I'll tell you what. It's like this. Dr. Schwartz...

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There's only two of us in our group that have a copy of it.

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And because of what occurred, Dr. Schwartz has right now asked us not to,

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because of what's involved in it, until we can get more documentation on it and so forth.

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Because if we got the wrong hands by mistake, this guy is, like Dr. Schwartz says,

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he is apparently could be very dangerous.

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He could kill himself or somebody else without even understanding what's going on.

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He doesn't have any reoccurrence he has had?

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Not on this, but when certain questions are asked of him, he'll go into a trance.

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We put him out several times, and he went in and out the bitch a dozen times when Schwartz was here.

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And anytime certain questions are answered, he'll go into this trance,

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and start rubbing his head again, and start to change. We catch him before it happens.

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And how do you break it then?

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Well, we just scream a lot. George Schwartz tried to change the subject and try to get him off of it.

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Is he aware of this takeover?

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Well, he wasn't, but Dr. Schwartz has made him aware of it for special reasons now, certain aspects of it.

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How does Schwartz fit into the picture? What's his codification?

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Well, Dr. Schwartz is one of the top very prominent psychiatrists in the United States.

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And he spent many years investigating the first type of psychic phenomena and contact-a-d cases and so forth.

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I've been in touch with him for a while, and he was planning on coming down here anyhow about a week later.

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So when this broke and the guy on the verge of suicide, we asked him and he came down early.

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And he's been working on the case.

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He doesn't have to because of the situation the way it is.

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He'll be sending a complete medical report and all, but this fellow is in a state of trance anyhow.

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It does not need to be put on a hypnosis because of the situation he's in.

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But not at all times, is it?

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No, but it's a very involved case to take us hours and hours to cover everything we found out, what's occurred in this case.

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And there's so much involved in it. It's a very complicated matter.

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And Dr. Schwartz will be writing it up for Flunk Sauce for review, the whole medical aspect of it.

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He will.

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Yeah.

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I want you to get into the Penn Hills case with Mr. Nouch.

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Okay. Well, I don't know too much more about it than what you do.

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It happened on, I believe, September we were caught up there.

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There had been reports of some type of hairy creatures seen up in that area.

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The people had called the radio station in Pittsburgh who in turn called me and we went up to contact.

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The people went up there the next night and one fellow was an official of the bank up there who had been one of the fellows who had taken the actual casks.

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We talked to several fellows, young boys who had been up there on their motorbikes riding in this oil field where they had seen the creature in the trees and on the ground.

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And so we went up and obtained the cask and looked over the area.

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It's interesting again it was an oil field because a lot of the cases seemed to involve around chemical odors.

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It seemed to be attracted to these creatures.

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All right, now what was the description of this particular creature?

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It said it was like a very large monkey.

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This does not fit the description of the creatures we have down here.

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What color was it?

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It was black or dark.

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These are up in the trees.

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This was up in the tree and one case was walking along the road in front of them but from the angle with the lights on the motorbike they could only see from the waist down.

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And it was a tail on this one.

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They said they definitely saw a tail like a large monkey in the trees.

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But we did find that people in that area a year before reporting things to monkeys up there also would look like monkeys were afraid to report it.

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Do you think there was a possibility that there were monkeys?

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Well of course there was a possibility but the fact is we've had other reports of smaller creatures like this around here in the spring.

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And who knows, apparently from the reports we have several various types of unusual creatures have been showing up all at one time.

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So I think apparently we're dealing with more than one type of thing.

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And why all at once is your guess as good as mine?

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Well my guess is my control is extremely fascinating to me because we've had some smacking of this reverse with some of the contactee people and their relationship to other people.

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Yes, that's correct.

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So is there anything else you feel you'd like to...

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I'll tell you, as soon as there's a lot more it's going to take a long time to get all the facts straightened out and have shorts of statements.

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And when you come back next time by then I'll probably can put you in a lot more deeply on what the aspects of it are.

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Okay Stan, thanks a lot for this and I could actually give a great deal just to...

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Because this subconscious control is of extreme importance to everybody.

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It's of extreme importance and it's extremely dangerous.

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And it's anymore as you'll find that most UFO investigators have never gotten this involved in it.

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But they'll find that this is nothing to play with, it's not a game.

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Do you feel like you have any immunity to it?

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I don't think anybody does because we don't know the folks down where we're dealing with.

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But it's like this, I feel that if they wanted to hurt us there was nothing stopping them that night.

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We were out isolated from anyone else. We were all there and apparently something was there.

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And the animal sensed it.

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If it wasn't for the fact that the animal's assessor said we had smelled it, I would say,

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well this guy had something, a psychological aspect about it, even though his medical records didn't indicate any of this type of thing.

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So there's no reason why this should have occurred to him.

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And plus the fact that we had three people saw the creatures, 15 people saw the UFO landing,

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plus the fact that we've had other cases now from other counties with creatures and the mind control aspects coming up that I can't laugh at it.

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There's something definitely happening.

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Well, of course you have a growing cataloging of this type of incident.

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That's correct.

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Obviously frequency and the similarity is bound to lend credits to previous stories.

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Yes, but this is something again that you couldn't come out publicly with because first of all, it's something we don't understand and it's something that would greatly be ridiculed.

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But it's extremely a serious problem.

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I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but a croaker truck driver was down here in this area and he gave us most of these details in Akron.

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I don't know where he got them.

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But he did give us most of these details.

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About what?

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About the incident up there on the farm.

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Well, he probably heard about shooting. It was in the papers up there.

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It was in the papers.

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Yeah, that's all going to give us.

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And about the glowing circle.

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The glowing circle, I think I mentioned there about a glowing ring.

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But this guy probably mentioned other people on Union Town too, a word spread pretty fast after.

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It was in the papers.

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Because I was surprised.

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But nobody knows about this mind control aspect except the state troopers, that's all.

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And how did they...

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They're just...

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The state police are taking it extremely serious and they're not laughing a bit.

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They gave us fantastic cooperation and as well as many other barracks over the state who have been helping us out tremendously.